instant keto a possibility of getting like trim at all that some people used um but I didn't I didn't feel like it was necessary for me which was surprising I felt like the pain was fairly well managed I mean for me at least um and I was surprising it was a lot of discomfort and like tightness and restriction in terms of movement but in terms of outward pain not that much and I'm a huge baby when it comes to pain I don't have so I was fully expecting everyone always said that I talked to who had